Course Lab
Interview with Gini Dietrich
CEO, Arment Dietrich; Founder, Spin Sucks
Interview Summary
Gini Dietrich, CEO of Arment Dietrich and founder of Spin Sucks, built the PESO Model Certification in partnership with Syracuse University, creating a new industry standard for communications professionals. She shares the evolution from 45-minute live webinars to 8-12 minute video lessons with quizzes and triggers, and explains how a proprietary framework combined with university accreditation can reshape an entire industry.
Creating an Industry Standard from Scratch
Gini started her PR firm in 2005 with a radical premise: communications results should be measurable. As social media, blogging, and digital marketing emerged, she developed the PESO Model (Paid, Earned, Shared, Owned media) as a framework for integrated communications. Rather than keeping it proprietary, she made a strategic decision to turn it into an industry certification. "We went to Syracuse University and said, listen, we want to create this certification, but we need the rubber stamp of an accredited university," Gini explains. The partnership means every professional who completes the PESO Model Certification also receives a certificate from Syracuse University. But Gini played the long game: she also got the program into university curricula, so students graduating with PR, marketing, or journalism degrees from 2019 onward learn the PESO Model as the standard approach. "The idea is that anybody who graduates will go out into the world and say, this is how we do PR now."
"The idea is that anybody who graduates with a PR, marketing, advertising, or journalism degree from 2019 and beyond will go out into the world and say: this is how we do PR now."
Iterating from 45 Minutes Down to 8
Gini's course design evolved through hard-won iteration. The first version, Modern Blogging Masterclass, used 45-minute live webinars with 15 minutes of Q&A, which were then recorded and polished. "We discovered that 45 minutes was far too long," she says. The next iteration used 30-minute sessions. Still too long. The certification program settled on 8 to 12 minute lessons with built-in quizzes and triggers that prevent students from advancing without demonstrating comprehension. The triggers served a dual purpose: the universities required proof of progression, but professionals also benefited from the structure. Even with a clear certification incentive, Gini found that professionals took about four months to complete what was designed as an eight-week program. "People are busy, and there's a squirrel outside running across the wire," she observes. The short lessons with mandatory checkpoints keep people moving despite competing demands.
"We discovered that 45 minutes was far too long. The lessons need to be much, much shorter."
A Blog as the Marketing Engine
When asked what has been most effective for market education, Gini's answer is surprisingly simple: "It's still a blog." The Spin Sucks blog, which she has maintained since 2005, remains her primary engine for building awareness of the PESO Model and driving certification enrollments. She is candid that she would not necessarily recommend a blog as a starting point today, but because of the compounding effect of years of consistent publishing, it provides an enormous competitive advantage. The blog drives awareness, the PESO Model visual instantly clicks for executives when they see it, and the certification converts interest into enrollment. Having a proprietary framework is what makes Gini's brand stand out: it gives people a unique reason to seek out her course versus generic PR training.
"It's funny, it's still a blog. It's still the number one way to do it. Because we've been doing it for so long, it has allowed us to build the influence much more quickly."
Gini's Action Steps
Gini recommends these 3 steps to improve your course planning:
Develop a proprietary framework worth certifying
Gini's PESO Model gave her something unique to certify. If you have a methodology that delivers consistent results, consider formalizing it as a framework with a memorable name. A proprietary model becomes both your marketing differentiator and the foundation for a certification program.
Shorten your lessons dramatically
Gini iterated from 45-minute webinars to 8-12 minute video lessons. Even motivated professionals with a certification incentive need short, focused modules. Add quizzes and triggers to ensure comprehension before advancement.
Explore institutional partnerships for credibility
A university partnership lent Gini's certification the legitimacy that accelerated industry adoption. Look for a trade publication, professional association, or academic institution that could lend credibility to your course offering and open doors to institutional buyers.
About Gini Dietrich
CEO, Arment Dietrich; Founder, Spin Sucks
Gini Dietrich is the CEO of Arment Dietrich, a marketing communications firm in Chicago, and the founder of Spin Sucks. She created the PESO Model (Paid, Earned, Shared, Owned media) and built the PESO Model Certification in partnership with Syracuse University, establishing a new industry standard for communications professionals. She is also the host of the Spin Sucks podcast and a prolific writer on marketing and PR strategy.
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